>>> THAT SEEMS FAIR TO ME.

>> FAIRNESS ISN'T THE ISSUE.

>> I DON'T REALLY THINK -- >> WRONG!

>> WELL, IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT FAIR IS, YOU CAN'T MAKE IT -- [ ALL SPEAKING AT ONCE ] [ BOING ] [ SOUNDS OF GLASS BREAKING ] >> Announcer: DONNYBROOK IS MADE POSSIBLE THROUGH THE GENEROUS SUPPORT OF THE MEMBERS OF KETC.

>>> HEY, THANKS FOR JOINING US FOR ANOTHER FRIDAY EDITION OF DONNYBROOK.

NEXT WEEK, WE'RE BACK TO THURSDAYS THOUGH.

HOPE YOU ENJOYED THE KEN BURNS SERIES ON VIETNAM.

WE'RE GOING TO REPEAT ON IT THE NINE NETWORK STARTING ON OCTOBER 3rd, BUT GREAT TO HAVE YOU ON A FRIDAY AND THANK YOU TO OUR FRIENDS AT THE GATESWORTH FOR MAKING THAT PROGRAM POSSIBLE AS YOU DO WEEK IN AND WEEK OUT.

LET'S MEET THE PANEL STARTING WITH THE MEDIA VETERAN HERSELF, WENDY WIESE.

ALONG WITH BILL McCLELLAN FROM THE ST.

LOUIS POST-DISPATCH.

FROM ST.

LOUIS MAGAZINE, RAY HARTMANN.

AND FROM STLMAG IDENTIFY -- STLMAG.COM AND BEYOND, ALVIN REID.

WE BEGIN WITH -- >> IT'S VALIN.

>> I'M SO CONFUPSED BY THIS.

>> IT'S LIKE DRIVING ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD.

>> OLD HABITS DIE HARD, BUT WE HAD A FRIDAY MEETING OF THE ST.

LOUIS BOARD OF ALDERMEN AND THERE WAS A RESOLUTION OFFERED TO HONOR THE POLICE, PROTECTING AND SERVING OVERTIME, 30 INJURIES ACCORDING TO THE CHIEF, AND UNLIKE THE RESOLUTION LAST WEEK WHICH HONORED A FOUR-TIME CONVICTED FELON THERE, ONE WAS SENT TO COMMITTEE, IT WASN'T PASSED.

WHAT DO YOU MAKE ABOUT THIS?

>> I DON'T GET IT.

THERE ARE STILL 28 ALDERMEN?

WHY ALL 28 CAN'T JUST SAY, YEAH, WE'RE HONORING THE POLICE OFFICERS BECAUSE, A, 99% OF THE POLICE OFFICERS, PROBABLY WHILE THEY'VE ALL TAKEN SOME TURNS, MOST ARE NOT INVOLVED IN THIS.

AT ANY GIVEN MOMENT WHILE THERE'S ANY PROTEST GOING ON, MOST OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS OUT THERE TRYING TO STOP CRIME OR STOPPING CRIME OR DOING THE JOB, YOU KNOW, EITHER -- NOT INVOLVED WITH THE DEMONSTRATIONS, SO I DON'T GET IT.

THIS IS JUST -- I THOUGHT IT WAS ODD, WHAT THEY DID LAST FRIDAY.

I THINK IT'S ODD THAT THIS WAS NOT PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.

I JUST -- I DON'T GET IT, BUT THERE'S SO MANY THINGS I DON'T GET RIGHT NOW.

>> BUT I THINK -- AND YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

IT'S LIKE -- IT'S ALICE IN WONDERLAND.

LIKE EVERYTHING SEEMS SORT OF UPSIDE DOWN, DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE, BUT I THINK THAT THERE IS A GREAT DEAL OF FEAR ON THE PART OF ANY CITY OFFICE HOLDER FROM THE BOARD TO, YOU KNOW, MARKET STREET, IF YOU INCUR THE WRATH OF YOUNG PROGRESSIVES AS YOU WERE SAYING LAST WEEK, THEN -- AND MAYBE THERE'S SOME SENSE -- I AGREE IT'S INSANE.

THERE'S SO MANY POLICE DOING THE JOB, SAVING LIVES, YOU WANT THEM RIGHT THERE, SO PASS IT.

BUT NO?

>> I'M HAPPY THAT THE YOUNG PROGRESSIVES HAVE SOME CLOUT, THAT'S GOOD AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.

NO, I AM -- >> EVEN IF THEY INSULT LAW ENFORCEMENT.

>> I'LL TAKE IT MORE DOWN THE MIDDLE, WHICH IS I DON'T THINK THAT THIS -- OF ALL THE THINGS THE BOARD OF ALDERMEN SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING LAST WEEK OR THIS WEEK, PASSING THESE VERY SYMBOLIC, OBVIOUSLY POLITICAL AND FRANKLY -- >> PANDERING.

>> EITHER DIRECTION, I'M NOT SAYING THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE IT THIS WEEK AND NOT LAST WEEK.

I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD BE DOING RESOLUTIONS.

IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO ACTUALLY ROLL UP THEIR SLEEVES AND START TALKING ABOUT MAYBE GIG A CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD, START DOING SOME THINGS ABOUT REALLY, ON THE SUBJECT OF POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY FOR ONE AND OTHER THINGS IN THE COMMUNITY TO PREVENT CRIME, THAT WOULD BE GOOD.

>> I DISAGREE.

>> ALL THIS HOLLOW RESOLUTIONS IS RIDICULOUS.

>> I AGREE, IT'S JUST POLITICAL GRANDSTANDING.

AN ALDERMAN GETS CRITICIZED BECAUSE HE SUPPORTED THE RESOLUTION TO HONOR SMITH, SO HERE HE IS SPONSORING A RESOLUTION TO HONOR THE POLICE JUST SO HE LOOKS GOOD HIMSELF, EVEN THOUGH -- YOU KNOW, HE HAD TO KNOW THAT THIS WAS GOING TO HAVE TROUBLE PASSING.

>> WELL, HERE'S THE THING.

[ ALL SPEAKING AT ONCE ] >> WE'LL GET TO THAT, WE'LL GET TO THAT, BUT LET ME ASK YOU THIS.

JOE VACCARO LAST WEEK SAID HE WASN'T IN THE ROOM WHEN THE RESOLUTION WAS PASSED HONOR ANTHONY LAMAR SMITH, SO HE BROUGHT IT THIS WEEK AND I THINK HE'S PROBABLY GETTING SOME HEAT, BUT I THINK IT'S KIND OF LIKE A GUY ABOUT TO PROPOSE MARRIAGE.

DON'T YOU SHOULD HAVE YOUR DUCKS IN A ROW AND MAKE SURE YOU GET A YES BEFORE YOU PROPOSE IT?

>> ON THE JUMBOTRON.

>> HE HAD TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WERE ALDERMEN WHO WEREN'T GOING TO GO ALONG WITH THIS, SO HE'S JUST TRYING TO LOOK GOOD FOR HIMSELF.

>> MAYBE HE'S TRYING TO SMOKE THEM OUT.

>> NOT FOR HIM.

>> IT DOESN'T MAKE IT WORSE, IT MAKES IT BETTER.

HIS CONSTITUENTS, HE LOOKS LIKE A -- [ ALL SPEAKING AT ONCE ] >> HE'S A LOT BETTER OFF THAT THEY TURNED IT DOWN.

YES, HE IS, HE'S BETTER OFF TURNING DOWN A MEANINGLESS RESOLUTION AND BEING A HERO TO HIS CONSTITUENTS JUST LIKE PEOPLE LAST WEEK FOR BEING A HERO TO THEIRS BECAUSE THEY WERE TRYING TO COMFORT MR.

SMITH'S MOTHER.

>> THEY'RE MAKING A BAD SITUATION WORSE BECAUSE THE POLICE GOT SLAPPED IN THE FACE BY NO RESOLUTION.

>> EXACTLY.

NO MATTER WHERE YOU STAND ON IT, IT MAKES THE CITY LOOK BAD BECAUSE -- >> YEAH.

>> -- ON FRIDAY, LAST FRIDAY, THIS HAPPENED AND ON THIS FRIDAY, THIS HAPPENED AND IT MAKES IT LOOK LIKE THOSE THAT ARE COMPLETELY WRONG, WHO SAY THAT EVERYBODY HATES POLICE IN ST.

LOUIS, GIVES THEM FODDER.

>> OKAY.

>> AND THAT'S SILLY.

>> FAIR POINT.

WENDY, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT A MEETING HELD LAST NIGHT BY A GROUP WE USED TO CALL PROTESTERS AND THEY CALL THEMSELVES THE PEOPLE.

FAIR ENOUGH.

I BELIEVE PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO NAME THEIR OWN GROUP, THAT SORT OF THING, AND THEY HAD THIS TOWN HALL MEETING BECAUSE THEY SAY THE MAYOR HAD CANCELLED I THINK THREE OF HERS.

THEY HAD THIS TOWN HALL MEETING WITH SOME DEMANDS AND THE DEMANDS INCLUDING THE FIRING OR THE RESIGNATION OF JUDGE TIM WILSON, THE FIRING OF THE POLICE CHIEF, AND THE RESIGNATION OF THE MAYOR WHO'S GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH THE JUDICIARY AND WASN'T EVEN IN POWER IN 2011 WHEN THE STO STOCKLEY INCIDENT HAPPENED.

I HAVE THIS THINKING THAT NOBODY REALLY WANTS A RESOLUTION.

THEY WANT TO RIDE ON THIS.

THEY'RE NOT BARGAINING IN GOOD FAITH, THEY WANT TO ASK FOR SOMETHING THEY KNOW THEY CAN'T GET SO THEY CAN PROTEST ADD N INFINIT INFINITUM.

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> I THINK THEY CAN PROTEST AD INFINITUM REGARDLESS.

I THINK THAT'S THE PLAN.

I DON'T THINK THEY'RE TYING -- OH, WELL, IF THEY TURN DOWN OUR DEMAND, WE'LL ZPO OUT AND PROTEST.

I THINK THEY'RE JUST GOING TO KEEP PROTESTING.

WE USED TO BE THE GATEWAY CITY AND NOW WE'RE THE PROTEST CITY.

THAT'S OUR NEW MONOGRAM AND I REALIZE AT MY AIM, IN THE MINDS OF A LOT OF YOUNG PEOPLE WATCHING, I SHOULD BE CULTURALLY EUTHANIZED, BUT DON'T MAKE DEMANDS -- >> I LOVE THAT!

>> NO, SERIOUSLY.

>> THAT'S GREAT.

>> STOP WITH THE DEMANDS.

THAT'S WHAT A 4-YEAR-OLD DOES IN YOUR HIGH CHAIR.

>> BUT A NEGOTIATING POINT.

>> YOU ASK FOR A MAYOR TO RESIGN WHO BASICALLY BY HER STATEMENT IS ON YOUR SIDE.

YOU ASK FOR A -- >> EXACTLY.

>> SOMEONE TO RESIGN WHO'S ABOUT TO RETIRE AND YOU'RE ASKING AN INTERIM POLICE CHIEF TO BE FIRED WHO'S NOT GOING TO BE A POLICE CHIEF.

>> AND ALL CHARGES GENS YOU TO BE DROPPED.

>> AND ALL CHARGES NEED TO BE DROPPED AND IT'S LIKE, OKAY, THE FIRST THREE THINGS, YOU DIDN'T HAVE A COMPREHENSION OF -- ALL THREE OF THESE PEOPLE, TWO ARE GOING TO GO AND ONE IS ON YOUR SIDE.

AND THEN THE WHOLE DROP THE CHARGES THING, LIKE, WELL, I MEAN, I WISH I COULD NEGOTIATE ANY TROUBLE FOR ANYBODY, YOU KNOW.

>> LET ME -- I GOT A FEELING THIS MIGHT BE LONELY, BUT LET ME DEFEND THE PROTESTERS.

FIRST OF ALL, THEY HAVE -- UNTIL SOMEBODY TELLS ME WHAT OUGHT TO BE SAID TO THEM TO -- THAT HAS ANY CONSTRUCTIVE THOUGHT THAT WE'RE ALL GOING TO TRY TO GET ALONG NOW, PLEASE MOVE ALONG, I HESITATE TO CRITICIZE THEM.

THEY'RE EXPRESSING THEMSELVES.

I THOUGHT THE THING ABOUT LYDA WAS PROBABLY -- THEY'RE NOT REAL PRACTICAL IDEAS.

AS FAR AS EXPRESSING THEIR DISPLEASURE WITH THE JUDGE, WHETHER HE PLANS TO RESIGN OR NOT, I THINK THAT'S PERFECTLY APPROPRIATE AS LONG AS IT'S PEACEFUL AND THEY WANT TO CALL ON SOMEBODY TO RESIGN, THEY HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO DO THAT AND I THINK THEY HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO SAY THE WAY THE POLICE HANDLED, THIS THAT YOU SHOULD DROP ALL THE CHARGES.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM.

>> NO ONE IS SAYING THEY DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT -- >> I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.

>> AND I.

>> HE WITH THEM PROTESTING.

>> BUT IT MAKES THEM LOOK SILLY.

>> TO WHO?

>> THE MAYOR IS TRYING HARD TO BE ON THEIR SIDE.

>> WHO IS IT MAKING THEM LOOK SILLY?

>> HERE'S THE DEAL, RAY -- >> REASONABLE PEOPLE, REASONABLE PEOPLE.

>> THERE ARE A LOT OF REASONABLE PEOPLE IN NORTH ST.

LOUIS, FOR EXAMPLE, WHO ARE AFRAID TO CALL 911 BECAUSE THEY DON'T TRUST THE COPS WHEN THEY GET THERE.

SO DON'T GET -- >> WAIT A MINUTE -- [ ALL SPEAKING AT ONCE ] >> SAME SAYING THAT WE -- NO, YOU THINK IT WILL?

DEMANDING LYDA KREWSON RESIGN?

>> I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO HELP THEM, BUT I UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM.

>> THE POST-DISPATCH LAST MONTH DID HAVE A STORY ON PEOPLE IN NORTH ST.

LOUIS AFRAID TO GO OUTSIDE OF THE HOME.

REMEMBER THAT DAVID CARSON PHOTO OF THE BOY IN DIAPERS WALKING DOWN THE STREET NEXT TO THE CRIME SCENE?

THEY DIDN'T SAY THEY WERE AFRAID OF THE POLICE.

>> THEY'RE AFRAID OF THE CRIMINALS.

>> THEY'RE AFRAID BOTH OF THE CRIME AND THE -- >> LET ME GET BACK TO SOMETHING YOU SAID.

YOU SAID WHO HAS THIS OPINION.

I HAVE NO ANYBODY DEMONSTRATING AS LONG AS IT'S PEACEFUL.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH ANYBODY PROTESTING.

YOU ASKED WHO HAS THIS OPINION OF THESE DEMANDS?

I DO.

MAYBE I'M ON YOUR SIDE, BUT YOU ASK FOR THESE THREE THINGS, COME ON -- >> IT'S RIDICULOUS.

IT SEEMS SILLY.

>> IT MAKES IT SEEM LIKE YOU'RE NOT REALLY AWARE OF THE FACTS -- >> THERE WERE OTHER DEMANDS.

>> LET'S MOVE ON TO BILL BECAUSE WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE CHIEF WHO SAID HE WELCOMES AN INVESTIGATION BY THE U.S.

ATTORNEY AND THE U.S.

ATTORNEY, BILL, IS?

>> JEFF JENSEN.

>> THAT IS CORRECT.

AND I THINK HE'S IN FRONT OF A SENATE PANEL TODAY TRYING TO GET CONFIRMATION IN WASHINGTON, D.C.

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT REQUEST LAWRENCE O'TOOLE SAYING BRING IT ON, I'LL HAVE THE U.S.

ATTORNEY INVESTIGATE ME.

>> I DON'T THINK LAWRENCE O'TOOLE HAS MUCH CHOICE.

WHO ELSE IS SUPPOSED TO INVESTIGATE THE POLICE?

AT THIS POINT, NO ONE HAS MUCH CONFIDENCE IN INTERNAL AFFAIRS INVESTIGATING ALLEGATIONS OF POLICE MISCONDUCT, SO HE -- YOU NEED THE U.S.

ATTORNEY AND CHIEF O'TOOLE IS DOING THE RIGHT THING SAYING I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM.

>> AND WE SHOULD SAY IT'S NOT INVESTIGATING O'TOOLE FOR SOMETHING HE'S DONE, BUT HIS DEPARTMENT IS ACCUSED OF BEING TOO HEAVY HANDED BY THE -- >> THE PROTESTERS.

>> PEPPER SPRAYING PEOPLE'S FACES, PEACEFUL PROTESTERS ROUNDED UP AND DENIED A LOT OF THINGS.

>> THIS U.S.

ATTORNEY, IF HE'S CONFIRM, WILL SERVE AT THE PLEASURE OF ANOTHER JEFF IN JEFF SESSIONS, AND -- JEFF SESSIONS?

>> YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.

>> GOT HIS NAME RIGHT.

WHO IS NOT EXACTLY ONE OF THE GREAT CIVIL RIGHTS LEADERS OF OUR TIME TO, PUT IT BLUNTLY, AND HE REPORTS TO EVEN OUR RACIALLY CHALLENGED PRESIDENT, AND SO THE IDEA THAT THAT'S GOING TO HAVE ANY -- YOU KNOW, THAT THAT PARTICULAR, YOU KNOW, THE HENS BEING GUARDED BY PARTICULAR FOX HAS ANY -- >> LET ME, LET ME INTERRUPT YOU, RAY.

I THINK WHEN THE U.S.

ATTORNEY'S OFFICE INVESTIGATES SOMETHING, IT'S THE PEOPLE ON THE GROUND, I MEAN THE DEEP STATE AS THE CONSERVATIVES CALL IT, THE PROFESSIONALS WHO HAVE BEEN IN THERE WITH FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT U.S.

ATTORNEYS AND THEY'RE NOT LOOKING -- WHATEVER ASSISTANT U.S.

ATTORNEY GETS IT, EAST NOT WONDERING I -- HE'S NOT WONDERING I WONDER WHAT JEFF SESSIONS OR DONALD TRUMP WANTS.

>> OH, YES HE IS.

>> DID YOU FEEL THE SAME WAY WHEN LORETTA LYNCH -- >> YEAH, PEOPLE MADE THE SAME ARGUMENT.

BARACK OBAMA'S CIVIL RIGHTS -- IT WAS A PRIORITY.

>> I DON'T REMEMBER YOU MAKING THAT ARGUMENT IN THE STOCKLEY CASE.

IT WAS OBAMA'S U.S.

ATTORNEY WHO INITIALLY INVESTIGATED THE STOCKLEY CASE, LOOKED AT THE VIDEOTAPE AND SAID THERE'S NOTHING HERE.

>> THAT'S PRETTY AMAZING BECAUSE I DON'T RECALL RAY MENTIONING THE OLDER JUSTICE DEPARTMENT IN THE FERGUSON REPORT AND HOW BIASED THAT WAS.

>> OR WILSON.

>> I WAS ON THEIR SIDE, BUT WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THAT AT LENGTH.

>> IF I WAS CHARGED WITH LIBEL AND I GOT TO PICK THE JURY AND JUST HAPPENED TO BE 12 JOURNALISTS AND THEY MIGHT BE FAIR AND LOOK AT THE FACTS AND ALL THAT, BUT I WOULD BE PRETTY CONFIDENCE THAT I WAS GOING TO BE CONVICTED.

>> I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY INTERESTED WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT THE VIDEO FOOTAGE AND THE TIME STAMP AND HE SEEMED -- HE WAS GOING OUT OF HIS WAY TO SEEM RELAXED, LIKE BRING IT ON.

AND I -- [ ALL SPEAKING AT ONCE ] >> I THINK THE FEDERAL LAW -- WELL, LET ME JUST SAY SOMETHING.

I THINK THAT THE FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT PEOPLE ARE STILL LAW ENFORCEMENT PEOPLE.

THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY CONSERVATIVE NO MATTER WHO'S AT THE VERY TOP, AND I DON'T THINK THAT THESE PEOPLE, LIKE A TOM DIT MEYER IS WORRIED ABOUT WHAT A JEFF SESSIONS IS -- >> YOU'RE GOING BACK.

>> IT DOES CALL FOR THE NEED FOR A CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD WITH SUBPOENA POWER.

IT JUST CRIES OUT FOR THAT.

>> OKAY.

NOW, RAY, I WANT TO ASK YOU -- BY THE WAY, CONGRATULATIONS, OUR LITTLE LEGACY THIS WEEK, THE RFT CAME OUT WITH ITS BEST OF EDITION AND THEY FOUNDED THAT 40 YEARS AGO.

>> I'M PROUD OF IT.

IT'S A TOUGH TIME FOR MEDIA AND THEY DO WELL.

>> AND IS IT TRUE THAT YOU AND JOE USED TO THROW THE NEWSPAPERS OFF THE SIDE OF THE TRUCK YOURSELF?

SERIOUSLY.

I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT STEVE EHLMANN, ST.

CHARLES COUNTY EXECUTIVE WHO HAS A GOOD POINT.

THERE'S A GROUP REPRESENTING ST.

LOUIS CITY AND ST.

LOUIS COUNTY THROUGH THE ECONOMIC PARTNERSHIP AND THEY'RE LIKE SELF-APPOINTED LEADING THE CLARGE TO GET THE SECOND AMAZON HEADQUARTERS TO ST.

LOUIS AND HE SAID THIS WEEK, WHAT'S THE RUBRIC, HOW ARE WE GOING TO DECIDE WHAT'S GOING ON HERE, WHERE'S THE TRANSPARENCY, WHERE IS ST.

CHARLES?

>> HE COMPLAINED THAT ST.

CHARLES WAS AT THE BACK OF THE LINE.

NOW, AMAZON IS, AS WE KNOW, A PRETTY BIG LONG SHOT FOR ST.

LOUIS, LENS FACE IT, BUT THERE'S NO HARM IN TRYING.

I'M NOT GOING TO BE -- I HOPE WE GET IT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

WHAT IS IT, 50,000 JOBS?

MY QUESTION TO IN EHLMANN, A VERY ENGAGING FELLOW, WOULD BE WHERE -- YOU'RE CONCERNED THAT ST.

CHARLES IS IN THE BACK OF THE LINE.

WHAT PART OF THE LINE WERE YOU IN WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT METRO LINK AND TRANSIT POLICY?

WHAT SORT OF LINE -- YOU WEREN'T AT THE BACK OF THE LINE, YOU WEREN'T IN THE LINE AT ALL.

THE SAME FOR ZMD.

THE SAME FOR POLICE RACE RELATIONS.

WHATEVER ISSUES INVOLVE ST.

LOUIS AND ST.

LOUIS COUNTY AND ST.

CHARLES COUNTY AS A GOVERNMENT, NOT TALKING ABOUT ALL THE PEOPLE, BUT CERTAINLY THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT HAS NOT EVEN BEEN IN THE LINE AND NOW HE'S COMPLAINING WHEN THERE'S 50,000 JOBS OUT THERE THAT HE'S AT THE BACK OF THE LINE?

>> I THINK THE SAME WAY WITH THE PROJECT AROUND THE ARCH.

ST.

CHARLES NEVER WANTS TO PARTICIPATE IN ANYTHING.

I AGREE WITH YOU, RAY.

>> NO, HE'S PART OF THE EAST-WEST GATEWAY COUNCIL.

>> HIS COUNTY LAGS GOT TO STEP UP.

>> BUT HE REPRESENTS A CONSTITUENT THAT IS THE FASTEST GROWING -- AND IT'S A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE AND THE WENTZVILLE SCHOOL DISTRICT A WEEK AGO TUESDAY VOTED TO BUILD ITS FOURTH HIGH SCHOOL.

IT'S BOOMING.

>> NONE OF THAT WITH STANDING, THAT'S FINE, BUT IF SOMEBODY LOOKED AT YOU AND SAID, HEY, PEOPLE ARE RUDE TO YOU IN THE STORE AND IT MAKES A LOT OF MONEY, WELL, I'M GLAD YOU MAKE ALL THAT MONEY BECAUSE I'M NEVER COMING TO YOU, MORE POWER TO YOU, BUT DON'T CRY POOR ALL OF A SUDDEN THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE TO AMAZON PLACE.

>> HE SAYS HE WANTS TO BE AT THE TABLE.

THERE'S 395,000 PEOPLE THERE, BIGGER THAN THE CITY OF ST.

LOUIS.

>> HE'S FACING RE-ELECTION EVENTUALLY, SO HE HAS TO DO WHAT HE NEEDS TO DO.

>> PEOPLE FROM ST.

CHARLES ARE AS MUCH A PART IN MY OPINION OF ST.

LOUIS AS PEOPLE IN ST.

LOUIS ARE AND I'VE SAID THAT FOREVER, AND THE FACT IS, I DO NOT THINK -- AND I KNOW IT'S ALL TALK ABOUT REGIONALISM.

PEOPLE IN ST.

CHARLES ARE AS MUCH A PART, BUT THEY CAN'T JUST BE A PART OF ST.

LOUIS WHEN WE WIN WORLD SERIES AND WHEN THERE'S 50,000 JOBS ON THE LINE.

>> GOOD POINT.

I'LL GUARANTEE YOU THIS, NO OR REGION IN AMERICA PROBABLY -- AND I COULD BE WRONG, BUT I'M WILLING DOLLARS TO DONUTS, I BET YOU NO OTHER REGION HAS HAD 27 DIFFERENT SITES TO CHOOSE FROM?

I BET YOU BEFORE THEY EVEN CAME TO THIS, THEY PROBABLY HAD THREE OR FOUR.

ONLY THE ST.

LOUIS AREA WOULD HAVE 27 DIFFERENT PLACES.

>> HANG ON A MOMENT.

HANG ON A MOMENT, YOU GUYS, YOU'RE WRONG.

IT JUST OCCURRED TO ME ST.

CHARLES IS PART OF THAT BIKE TRACE DISTRICT.

>> OH!

>> THE GREAT RIVERS GREENWAY.

>> HOW MUCH DOES THAT COST ST.

CHARLES?

>> ACTUALLY IT STARTED IN ST.

CHARLES.

>> STEVE EHLMANN SAID HE WOULD PREFER THAT THE STATE TROOPERS NOT PATROL HIGHWAY 70 IN ST.

CHARLES SO THEY COULD WORK IN THE CITY OF ST.

LOUIS.

>> VERY CYNICAL.

>> SPEAKING OF THAT AMAZON BID, SHEILA SWEENEY HEADS UP THE ST.

LOUIS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS AND THAT REPRESENTS THE CITY AND COUNTY AND SHE SAID WITH ALL THAT STOCKLEY, MICHAEL BROWN REPUTATION THAT THE AREA MIGHT HAVE RIGHT NOW, SHE SAID AS OPPOSED TO HIDING THAT, WHY DON'T WE MAKE IT THE REASON TO BRING AMAZON HERE.

THAT WAS YOUR IDEA ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO, WASN'T IT?

>> THAT'S WHAT I SAID AND YOU ALL LAUGHED AT ME, BUT I SAID WHY DON'T WE THROW OURSELVES ON THE MERCY OF THE COURT.

THIS IS A SEATTLED-BASED E-COMMERCE COMPANY.

THEY'RE HUMANITARIANS IN SEATTLE.

NOT LIKE US IN THE MIDWEST.

I'M JOKING, OF COURSE, BUT I THINK WE APPEAL TO THEIR SENSE OF SOCIAL JUSTICE.

WE APPEAL TO THEIR SENSE OF, HEY, LOOK, THIS IS REALTIME -- THIS IS A CITY HAVING A CRISIS AND IF YOU REALLY WANT TO CHANGE THINS FOR THE INHABITANTS OF THIS CITY, MAYBE PUT SOME PEOPLE TO WORK, MAYBE CHANGE THINGS FOR FOLKS, ABSOLUTELY.

FLY THAT FLAG, DO WHATEVER IT TAKES.

>> I DON'T THINK THAT REALLY AT THE END OF THEIR DECISION IS GOING TO BE WHO CAN THEY HELP THE MOST.

WHO IS THE NEEDIEST CITY.

>> EAST ST.

LOUIS.

>> YEAH, THEY WANT -- ALVIN SUGGESTED EAST ST.

LOUIS BEFORE.

I THINK THEY WANT A CITY THAT WORKS.

AND THIS ONE RIGHT NOW, UNLESS THE MAYOR RESIGNS AND AFTER SHE FIRES THE CHIEF AND THE JUDGE, IT'S NOT WORKING VERY WELL.

>> THERE'S A LITTLE TOWN NEAR LAWRENCE, KANSAS, THEY WON A TYSON JOB.

THE PEOPLE REVOLTED, THEY DON'T WANT IT HERE, IT'S GOING TO NEBRASKA.

CAN WE GET IN LINE TO GET THAT?

NO, WE DON'T WANT 5,000 CHICKEN PROCESSING JOBS, SO WE'RE KIND OF LIKE EVERYBODY'S GOING CRAZY BECAUSE, WHOA, AMAZON'S REALLY COOL.

OKAY, THAT'S FINE.

BUT LET'S PUT ALL OUR EFFORTS INTO REGIONALIZING ANY BIG COMPANY ANYWHERE AND WE COULD GET SOMETHING GOING IN EAST ST.

LOUIS.

>> BUT WOULDN'T THAT SMELL TO HIGH HEAVEN?

>> YEAH, THERE'S A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH IT, BUT I'M JUST USING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE.

>> MAYBE KIRKWOOD.

>> NO, THERE'S A -- >> ELITE TIS.

>> I THINK THE ONE TEXT OF NOT APOLOGIZING, THE CONTEXT OF THE OTHER WAS JUST DON'T BE DEFENSIVE.

IT WASN'T LIKE WE WERE LOOKING FOR PITY OR ANYTHING.

>> NO, NO, THAT'S NOT -- >> BE OPEN ABOUT WHAT'S NOT RIGHT HERE AND WE HAVE A LOT -- I THINK YOU LOOK MORE CREDIBLE TALKING ABOUT THE GOOD THINGS YOU HAVE IF YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE'S PROBLEMS.

>> THERE'S CONVERSATIONS GOING ON THROUGHOUT AMERICA ABOUT ST.

LOUIS AND THESE ARE LIBERAL PEOPLE ON COLLEGE CAMPUSES, ONE WHERE MY DAUGHTER GOES, AND THEY ARE SAYING LOOK, WHATEVER PROBLEMS ARE, WE AIN'T AS BAD AS ST.

LOUIS, SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO TELL AMAZON WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.

I'M PRETTY SURE THEY KNOW.

>> WELL, CHICAGO HAD 4300 SHOOTINGS THIS YEAR.

>> THAT'S CHICAGO.

>> BUT RAY AND THE OTHER CUBS, CONGRATULATIONS, YOU WON THE DIVISION.

>> WELL, I DESERVE A LOT OF CREDIT FOR IT.

SENDING VIBRATIONS TO THE MANAGER ON WHAT TO DO.

>> THAT IS KIND OF A TRAVESTY UPON A SHAM WHEN THE CUBS WIN IN OUR OWN -- >> WHEN THEY CLINCH HERE.

>> IN OUR BACKYARD, YEAH.

>> I WAS AT THE GAME -- >> HOW DID YOU PLAY IT?

WERE YOU COOL, LIKE COOL HAPPENED LUKE OR WERE YOU -- COOLHAND LUKE OR WHEN YOU -- >> I GOT TO GO TO THE GAME LAST NIGHT TO WATCH OUR BOYS CHECK OUT -- >> COMPLETELY.

>> -- AND AN AMAZING CATCH BY ONE OF THE GUYS ON YOUR JV -- >> WE HAD THREE CATCHERS IN THE LINE-UP, NOT INCLUDING THE CATCHER.

>> THE THING THAT CONCERNS ME AS A LIFELONG CARDINAL FAN, AND WE'LL BE BACK NEXT YEAR, IF WE GET SWEPT THIS WEEKEND AND THE DODGERS HAPPEN TO GO AND SWEEP COLORADO, WE WOULD HAVE THE DUBIOUS DISTINCTION OF BEING THE FIRST TEAM, I'M SURE IN HISTORY, TO WATCH TWO DIVISION RIVALS IN THE SAME WEEK CELEBRATE ON THEIR FIELD.

THE WHOLE -- >> AMAZON AIN'T COMING HERE.

>> THE CARDINALS MIGHT -- >> JUST A LITTLE BIT OFF THE MENU BEFORE WE GET TO OUR LAST TOPIC, BUT ALVIN, THE POST-DISPATCH HAD A BIG ARTICLE ON HOW POPULAR THOSE SEVEN EMPTY DORMS ARE ALONG ALUMS WHO CAME BACK TO FOOTBALL GAMES AND YOU POO-POO THAT, BUT THEY'RE COMING BACK.

ONE WOMAN WAS QUOTED SAYING SHE NEVER FELT SO YOUNG.

SHE FELT YOUNG AGAIN STAYING IN THE DORMS.

ARE YOU GOING TO EAT YOUR WORDS?

>> NO, I'M NOT BECAUSE SOMETHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN AND WHEN IT HAPPENS, IT WILL BE A BAD IDEA.

I'M NOT FORETELLING OF TRAGEDY OR ASSAULT OR ANYTHING, BUT I STILL THINK YOU'RE ASKING FOR IT.

>> PEOPLE WHO WENT TO KU SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWING -- >> TO COMMENT ON ANYTHING DEALING WITH THE VICINITY OF COLUMBIA.

>> IF WE WERE IN LAWRENCE, KANSAS, DOING THE SHOW, THEY WOULDN'T WANT TO BE HEARING ME TALK ABOUT -- >> WELL, RIGHT NOW KU AND MISSOURI ARE ABOUT THE SAME LEVEL OF FOOTBALL.

>> FOOTBALL WE ARE, BUT WE'RE CATCHING UP TO YOU IN VOLLEYBALL.

>> RAY, DIDN'T YOU ONCE GET YOUR EAR TORN OFF BY OUR CALLERS WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING HORSES AND DOWNTOWN ST.

LOUIS AND -- >> I'M NOT SURE.

THERE WERE MANY OCCASIONS I GOT -- >> MANY TIMES, MANY TIMES.

>> HE'S BEEN VAN GOGHED MANY TIMES.

>> NOW THERE'S A PROPOSAL, I THINK BY JOE VACCARO, ST.

LOUIS BOARD OF ALDERMEN, TO BAN ROMANTIC CARRIAGE RIDES IN DOWNTOWN ST.

LOUIS.

HORSES ARE ON THE STREETS IN MONTREAL, VIENNA, NEW YORK CITY AND EXCEPT FOR CLYDESDALES AND POLICE HORSES, AND I THINK PARADES, HORSES WILL NOT BE ALLOWED ON CITY STREETS.

YOU AGREE WITH THAT?

>> YES, I DO.

I THINK IT'S FINE TO HAVE THEM IN THE PARKS.

THERE ARE THOSE WHO ARGUE -- ANIMAL RIGHTS FOLKS HAVE REAL ISSUES WITH HOW THE HOR HORSES ARE TREATED AND PARTICULARLY TALKING ABOUT DOWNTOWN ST.

LOUIS, I THINK REGARDLESS -- I THINK YOU SEE THIS FADE IN OTHER CITIES AS WELL.

I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING AND IT'S A REASONABLE COMPROMISE TO HAVE THE PARKS AND PARADES AS AN EXCEPTION, THAT'S A NICE COMPROMISE.

>> I LIKE THE HORSES AND THE LITTLE CARRIAGES DOWNTOWN.

IT'S SOMETHING FOR THE TOURISTS TO DO.

I MEAN, I THINK TOURISTS ENJOY BEING ON A CARRIAGE, IF YOU GOT LITTLE KIDS -- >> UNDER THE ARCH, YEAH.

>> I DON'T SEE THE PROBLEM WITH HORSES ON THE STREET.

>> I JUST -- NOW, THIS GOES WAY BACK.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS, AND I LOVE HORSES.

LIKE I SAY, I LOVE TO RIDE HORSES, I LOVE HORSES, BUT I JUST NEVER LIKED THE HORSE DRAWN CARRIAGE ON THE CITY STREETS.

PARKS, FINE, BUT I JUST NEVER REALLY -- THAT JUST DIDN'T EVER -- >> IT'S FOR PROTESTERS.

>> NO, THE REALITY -- I JUST DON'T THINK A HORSE WITH FACE FULL OF EXHAUST.

>> HERE'S MY PROBLEM WITH IT.

IF THE HORSES ARE MISTREATED, THEN REGULATE THE INDUSTRY.

>> THEY SAID THEY'RE NOT FOLLOWING THE INDUSTRY.

>> WELL THEN CLOSE THEM DOWN.

THE CLYDESDALES ARE WELL STREET TREATED AND ALLOWED TO GO ON THE STREET.

>> THEY'RE TREATED BETTER THAN MANY AMERICANS ARE.

>> I LOVE HORSE RACING.

YOU KNOW, HORSE DAMAGES HIS LEG AND THEY PUT HIM DOWN THERE ON THE TRACK AND ONCE THAT'S OVER, WE FEEL SAD FOR ABOUT 15 MINUTES AND GO RIGHT ON TO GAMBLING ON OTHER HORSES, SO IT'S NOT LIKE I'M THE CRUELTY TO ANIMALS THING, BUT THAT JUST DOESN'T -- >> I GUESS WE DON'T HAVE THE ROMANTIC HERE.

>> I WAS PLANNING ON TAKING THE HORSE AND CARRIAGE TO DONNYBASH NEXT WEEK.

>> WHY NOT?

>> IT'S KIND OF FAUX ROMANCE.

>> DON'T YOU LOVE THE WAY IT SOUNDS, THE LITTLE CLIP CLOP.

>> IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE TRYING TOO HARD.

>> ONCE I WAS IN DOWNTOWN ST.

LOUIS AND THE KIDS BEGGED ME, 3 AND 4 YEARS OLD, TO GO ON A HORSE RIDE AND IT COST $35.

I RELENTED AND I LOOKED OVER AFTER ABOUT 30 SECONDS, THEY WERE BOTH ASLEEP.

>> THAT IS CUTE.

>> IT'S THE MOST EXPENSIVE NAP WE EVER TOOK.

LET'S FIND OUT WHAT OUR VIEWERS HAD TO SAY ABOUT LAST WEEK'S SHOW.

PLEASE TELL THE MAYOR OF ST.

LOUIS TO STOP, DON'T SPEND ANOTHER DANG DIME OR ANOTHER MINUTE CREATING A PROPOSAL TO LURE THE SECOND AMAZON HEADQUARTERS TO ST.

LOUIS.

IT'S A WASTE OF TIME AND EFFORT.

THAT FROM DAVE OF POWER GROVE EAST.

HEY, LOVE THE SHOW.

GOT TO SEE DR.

GREG -- IT'S THE BEST PLACE TO ME TO BE ENTERTAINED AND ALSO STAY UP TO DATE WITH LOCAL POLITICS AND NEWS.

THAT FROM WYATT SCHWARTZ OF ST.

LOUIS, MISSOURI.

PAUL POUNDS OF ST.

LOUIS WROTE, AS THE SON OF A LONG TIME ST.

LOUIS POLICE OFFICER, I'M OFFENDED BY THE USE OF THE TERM COP WHEN REFERRING TO POLICE OFFICERS.

WELL, WHAT DO YOU THINK?

WRITE IT CARE OF KETC, 3655 OLIVE STREET, ST.

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RAY AND I WILL READ THEM NEXT ON YOUR TURN.

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